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> <channel><title>Comentarii la: După 20 de ani&#8230;</title> <atom:link href="http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=dupa-20-de-ani</link> <description>Idei si nu prea...</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:03:48 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>De către: aNDRIIpOPA</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-330</link> <dc:creator>aNDRIIpOPA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:39:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-330</guid> <description>Cu alte cuvinte, democraţia nu este răul mai mic ci răul necesar sau de preferat altor forme de guvernare.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cu alte cuvinte, democraţia nu este răul mai mic ci răul necesar sau de preferat altor forme de guvernare.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: Monel</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-329</link> <dc:creator>Monel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:16:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-329</guid> <description>Democratia nu e neaparat morala si nu implica obligatoriu libertatea tuturor cetatenilor. E doar o forma de guvernare/administratie a unei tari, cu avantaje si dezavantaje, dar evident de preferat altor forme de guvernare autocratice sau tiranice.Critici aduse democratiei, direct de pe wikipedia, nu le mai traduc:- Economists since Milton Friedman have strongly criticized the efficiency of democracy. They base this on their premise of the irrational voter. Their argument is that voters are highly uninformed about many political issues, especially relating to economics, and have a strong bias about the few issues on which they are fairly knowledgeable.- The 20th Century Italian thinkers Pareto and Mosca argued that democracy was illusory, and served only to mask the reality of elite rule. They argued that elite oligarchy is the unbendable law of human nature, due largely to the apathy and division of the masses (as opposed to the drive, initiative and unity of the elites), and that democratic institutions would do no more than shift the exercise of power from oppression to manipulation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democratia nu e neaparat morala si nu implica obligatoriu libertatea tuturor cetatenilor. E doar o forma de guvernare/administratie a unei tari, cu avantaje si dezavantaje, dar evident de preferat altor forme de guvernare autocratice sau tiranice.</p><p>Critici aduse democratiei, direct de pe wikipedia, nu le mai traduc:</p><p>- Economists since Milton Friedman have strongly criticized the efficiency of democracy. They base this on their premise of the irrational voter. Their argument is that voters are highly uninformed about many political issues, especially relating to economics, and have a strong bias about the few issues on which they are fairly knowledgeable.</p><p>- The 20th Century Italian thinkers Pareto and Mosca argued that democracy was illusory, and served only to mask the reality of elite rule. They argued that elite oligarchy is the unbendable law of human nature, due largely to the apathy and division of the masses (as opposed to the drive, initiative and unity of the elites), and that democratic institutions would do no more than shift the exercise of power from oppression to manipulation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: Dan Vaida</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-327</link> <dc:creator>Dan Vaida</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-327</guid> <description>Foarte bun punctul de vedere al lui Monel. Nici nu mai stiu ce sa zic. E de cugetat.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foarte bun punctul de vedere al lui Monel. Nici nu mai stiu ce sa zic. E de cugetat.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: aNDRIIpOPA</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-317</link> <dc:creator>aNDRIIpOPA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:50:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-317</guid> <description>Oare ce ar face? Ar interzice ţiganii sau ţigăniile? Ar interzice manelele sau muzica rock?
Nu uita că Elveţia este ultimul bastion al puterii depline a poporului prin referendum. Într-adevăr există probabilitatea ca la un moment-dat poporul să devină pervers şi să impună norme profund nedemocratice, după cum este şi cea expusă de tine. Dar, totuşi, poporul (ăia mulţi şi proşti care plătesc impozite) trebuie consultat în anumite privinţe şi în anumite probleme care îl vizează sau îl afectează direct.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oare ce ar face? Ar interzice ţiganii sau ţigăniile? Ar interzice manelele sau muzica rock?<br
/> Nu uita că Elveţia este ultimul bastion al puterii depline a poporului prin referendum. Într-adevăr există probabilitatea ca la un moment-dat poporul să devină pervers şi să impună norme profund nedemocratice, după cum este şi cea expusă de tine. Dar, totuşi, poporul (ăia mulţi şi proşti care plătesc impozite) trebuie consultat în anumite privinţe şi în anumite probleme care îl vizează sau îl afectează direct.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: Monel</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-316</link> <dc:creator>Monel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:24:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-316</guid> <description>In Elvetia referendumurile reprezinta un aspect central al vietii politice, sunt considerate instrumente ale democratiei directe, a participarii cetatenilor in luare unor hotarari legislative. Se organizeaza mai multe referendumuri intr-un an si se pot organiza chiar si la initiativa cetatenilor, putand viza probleme aparent banale, cum ar fi cheltuieli publice care depasesc o anumita suma de bani.Iata insa ca aceasta democratie (putere a poporului) aparent ideala poate duce la discriminari: elvetienii s-au pronuntat duminica asta prin referendum, cu o majoritate de 57,5% din voturi, in favoarea interzicerii minaretelor in tara. &quot;Construirea de minarete este de-acum interzisa in Elvetia&quot;, a anuntat Guvernul de la Berna.Mai sunt liberi acum cetatenii elvetieni care traiesc in aceasta democratie minunata in care poporul are puterea de a hotara atat de multe? Desigur, cu conditia sa nu fie musulmani. Mi-e groaza sa ma gandesc ce ar face majoritatea romanilor cu o astfel de putere democratica.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Elvetia referendumurile reprezinta un aspect central al vietii politice, sunt considerate instrumente ale democratiei directe, a participarii cetatenilor in luare unor hotarari legislative. Se organizeaza mai multe referendumuri intr-un an si se pot organiza chiar si la initiativa cetatenilor, putand viza probleme aparent banale, cum ar fi cheltuieli publice care depasesc o anumita suma de bani.</p><p>Iata insa ca aceasta democratie (putere a poporului) aparent ideala poate duce la discriminari: elvetienii s-au pronuntat duminica asta prin referendum, cu o majoritate de 57,5% din voturi, in favoarea interzicerii minaretelor in tara. &#8220;Construirea de minarete este de-acum interzisa in Elvetia&#8221;, a anuntat Guvernul de la Berna.</p><p>Mai sunt liberi acum cetatenii elvetieni care traiesc in aceasta democratie minunata in care poporul are puterea de a hotara atat de multe? Desigur, cu conditia sa nu fie musulmani. Mi-e groaza sa ma gandesc ce ar face majoritatea romanilor cu o astfel de putere democratica.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: aNDRIIpOPA</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-315</link> <dc:creator>aNDRIIpOPA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:26:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-315</guid> <description>Noi ne bucurăm că mai trăim...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noi ne bucurăm că mai trăim&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: Dan Vaida</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-314</link> <dc:creator>Dan Vaida</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:25:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-314</guid> <description>Si inca ceva. Din&#039;92 incoace tot timpul avem de ales intre 2 rele. Optiunea binelui nu exista. Si cum zicea Basescu &quot;Sa traiti bine&quot; . Are umor pastramagiul. Negru dar umor.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Si inca ceva. Din&#8217;92 incoace tot timpul avem de ales intre 2 rele. Optiunea binelui nu exista. Si cum zicea Basescu &#8220;Sa traiti bine&#8221; . Are umor pastramagiul. Negru dar umor.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: Dan Vaida</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-313</link> <dc:creator>Dan Vaida</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:16:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-313</guid> <description>De fapt ai dreptate. Detinutii politici sunt mai multi decat inainte.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>De fapt ai dreptate. Detinutii politici sunt mai multi decat inainte.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: aNDRIIpOPA</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-312</link> <dc:creator>aNDRIIpOPA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:57:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-312</guid> <description>Deţinuţi politici avem: 20 de milioane de români. De ales, teoretic am fi avut de unde, dar ăia nu aveau şanse, aşa că am rămas cu cele două feţe ale răului.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deţinuţi politici avem: 20 de milioane de români. De ales, teoretic am fi avut de unde, dar ăia nu aveau şanse, aşa că am rămas cu cele două feţe ale răului.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>De către: Dan Vaida</title><link>http://www.andriipopa.ro/2009/11/26/dupa-20-de-ani.html/comment-page-1#comment-311</link> <dc:creator>Dan Vaida</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:49:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.andriipopa.ro/?p=484#comment-311</guid> <description>Nu cred ca am invatat mare lucru in cei  20 de ani. Nu avem simtul democratiei din moment ce lumea isi da bucuroasa voturile celor care dau un mic si o bere. Si mai cred ca nu am scapat de dictatura, avem o alta forma mai subtila si mai perfida. E o dictatura a mitocaniei. Desigur nu avem detinuti politici, dar cei care aleg sa fie altfel decat mitocani, sunt etichetati drept fraieri, slabi de inger, si nu au ce cauta la masa asa zisilor invingatori care stiu doar sa racneasca si sa dea cu pumnul. Daca alegi sa fii corect, cinstit si muncitor in Romania  esti pierdut. Esti privat de dreptul de a avea o viata decenta sub aspect economic, social etc. Privarea de libertati fundamentale mi se pare similara cu puscaria. Romania e un lagar in aer liber in care poti intr-adevar sa te misti fizic cum vrei.
De fapt daca ne si uitam la situatia asta a alegerilor avem de ales intre 2 rele la fel de mari. Avem de ales intr un rau si un alt rau. Practic avem un candidat unic:RAUL. Nu era si Ceausescu tot un candidat unic. Ce diferenta e intre Basescu si alalalt? Niciuna? Ce democratie e aceea in care nu ai optiuni? NU E democratie. E dictatura. In Romania avem  dictatura nu avem  democratie.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nu cred ca am invatat mare lucru in cei  20 de ani. Nu avem simtul democratiei din moment ce lumea isi da bucuroasa voturile celor care dau un mic si o bere. Si mai cred ca nu am scapat de dictatura, avem o alta forma mai subtila si mai perfida. E o dictatura a mitocaniei. Desigur nu avem detinuti politici, dar cei care aleg sa fie altfel decat mitocani, sunt etichetati drept fraieri, slabi de inger, si nu au ce cauta la masa asa zisilor invingatori care stiu doar sa racneasca si sa dea cu pumnul. Daca alegi sa fii corect, cinstit si muncitor in Romania  esti pierdut. Esti privat de dreptul de a avea o viata decenta sub aspect economic, social etc. Privarea de libertati fundamentale mi se pare similara cu puscaria. Romania e un lagar in aer liber in care poti intr-adevar sa te misti fizic cum vrei.<br
/> De fapt daca ne si uitam la situatia asta a alegerilor avem de ales intre 2 rele la fel de mari. Avem de ales intr un rau si un alt rau. Practic avem un candidat unic:RAUL. Nu era si Ceausescu tot un candidat unic. Ce diferenta e intre Basescu si alalalt? Niciuna? Ce democratie e aceea in care nu ai optiuni? NU E democratie. E dictatura. In Romania avem  dictatura nu avem  democratie.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>

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